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	<title>Comments on: Holy dealer gouging! Nissan GT-R could cost you $129,000</title>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Jacob brought out the racist sentiment pretty quick didn&#039;t he?

Firstly, the very first ZR1 just went at auction in Barret Jackson two weeks ago for $1 million exactly. Also, the ZR1&#039;s will too probably face price hikes, what says they will not?

Three the GT-R has put down numbers on the track better than the Z06, and considering the ZR1 has Z06 suspension, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the times are not very different at all. Certainly the V-spec will go even faster.

Thirdly, this car will not be a flop and I never said it would be. The Phaeton tried to come to market with way more than 1500 units, and the GT wasn&#039;t well received because the reality was it used an Italian gear box, Aston Martin Steering Column, British designed engine (yes, the DOHC 5.4 is british designed), and such. In other words, it was a European car with a Ford name on it. Why not just get an actual European car if you are paying $200,000?

At 1500 units, the GT-R is destined to sell out its entire stock. And remember, this is not a cheap name like Hyundai: the Nissan Skyline is one of the most highly decorated race cars in history, and this is its successor. At $69,000 base price, its a steal even compared to what its older brother sold for (adjusted for inflation or not), considering the old Skyline GT-R still is imported here to America (sometimes illegally) for 6 figures or higher.

And as far as the Genesis, what is bad about it? Everyone claims their cars in the segment were benchmarked against the 5 series or E class, so the Genesis is in that regard just like the G8. But the difference between the G8 and Genesis is that the Genesis has far more luxury and Hyundai&#039;s astoundingly good reliability (they have come a long way since even the beginning of the decade, now being as reliable as Toyota once was).

And it has more horsepower, which while that won&#039;t win it off the line, its also true that more horsepower will win the race. Maybe not the quarters for the Genesis but the half mile or any track based it will certainly stomp the G8 flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jacob brought out the racist sentiment pretty quick didn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>Firstly, the very first ZR1 just went at auction in Barret Jackson two weeks ago for $1 million exactly. Also, the ZR1&#8242;s will too probably face price hikes, what says they will not?</p>
<p>Three the GT-R has put down numbers on the track better than the Z06, and considering the ZR1 has Z06 suspension, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the times are not very different at all. Certainly the V-spec will go even faster.</p>
<p>Thirdly, this car will not be a flop and I never said it would be. The Phaeton tried to come to market with way more than 1500 units, and the GT wasn&#8217;t well received because the reality was it used an Italian gear box, Aston Martin Steering Column, British designed engine (yes, the DOHC 5.4 is british designed), and such. In other words, it was a European car with a Ford name on it. Why not just get an actual European car if you are paying $200,000?</p>
<p>At 1500 units, the GT-R is destined to sell out its entire stock. And remember, this is not a cheap name like Hyundai: the Nissan Skyline is one of the most highly decorated race cars in history, and this is its successor. At $69,000 base price, its a steal even compared to what its older brother sold for (adjusted for inflation or not), considering the old Skyline GT-R still is imported here to America (sometimes illegally) for 6 figures or higher.</p>
<p>And as far as the Genesis, what is bad about it? Everyone claims their cars in the segment were benchmarked against the 5 series or E class, so the Genesis is in that regard just like the G8. But the difference between the G8 and Genesis is that the Genesis has far more luxury and Hyundai&#8217;s astoundingly good reliability (they have come a long way since even the beginning of the decade, now being as reliable as Toyota once was).</p>
<p>And it has more horsepower, which while that won&#8217;t win it off the line, its also true that more horsepower will win the race. Maybe not the quarters for the Genesis but the half mile or any track based it will certainly stomp the G8 flat.</p>
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		<title>By: Big BALLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big BALLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah these morons are shelling out $125K for a Nissan?  Are you serious???? Dumbass guido-wannabe&#039;s are probably gonna spend their parent&#039;s money on these cars now.

They do look they will end up like the CrossFires - overpriced and underachieveing, in terms of sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah these morons are shelling out $125K for a Nissan?  Are you serious???? Dumbass guido-wannabe&#8217;s are probably gonna spend their parent&#8217;s money on these cars now.</p>
<p>They do look they will end up like the CrossFires &#8211; overpriced and underachieveing, in terms of sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the ZR1 suppose to be like $110K when it goes on sale? And these dealers want $130K for a good Nissan. . . These people that are buying the GT-Rs are like the people that are paying $25k for a Smart. I am laughing soo hard right now! 

I remember the Chrysler dealers attempting to mark-up the Crossfires and that turned into a huge sales disaster! 

I think I&#039;ll go buy a slighlty used Bentley instead of one these Japs, lolol. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the ZR1 suppose to be like $110K when it goes on sale? And these dealers want $130K for a good Nissan. . . These people that are buying the GT-Rs are like the people that are paying $25k for a Smart. I am laughing soo hard right now! </p>
<p>I remember the Chrysler dealers attempting to mark-up the Crossfires and that turned into a huge sales disaster! </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll go buy a slighlty used Bentley instead of one these Japs, lolol. .</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah man, this car has FLOP written all over it - similar to the Ford GT and Volkswagen Phaeton, cars that are OVERPRICED regardless of how well they perform, or how &quot;worth the money&quot; they are and Hyundai will experience the SAME with their Genesucks model.

McDonald&#039;s sells cheap ass burgers, not finely grilled expensive paninis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah man, this car has FLOP written all over it &#8211; similar to the Ford GT and Volkswagen Phaeton, cars that are OVERPRICED regardless of how well they perform, or how &#8220;worth the money&#8221; they are and Hyundai will experience the SAME with their Genesucks model.</p>
<p>McDonald&#8217;s sells cheap ass burgers, not finely grilled expensive paninis.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yah, if MSRP stays to high to long, then people will begin to ignore the car, and then when something new and similar in performance comes out, dealers will be screwed. Even if they drop the price back down people won&#039;t care.

Then again, its also important to remember that this car is only selling 1500 units here, maybe 3000. By comparison, GM shot for a &quot;sky&#039;s the limit&quot; production run, and produced (I think) 40,000 cars a year. With performance coupes like this, the market simply is not there for 40,000 coupes a year from anyone sans maybe Mercedes or BMW. Typical buyers there could possibly afford a sporty vehicle or sports car, where as GM and Nissan buyers typically cannot.

The 1500 currently being sold will probably all be bought up by celebs, execs and the wealthy. All of whom are probably who have bid up the price to $120,000 per car. If this was a car with a more massive production run I could see it being less, but considering that its an exclusive car at only 1500 units (does Bently even do that few anymore?), where as Porsche is doing several thousand, this car does indeed have &quot;exclusive&quot; painted all across the hood.

Add to that Porsche 911 Turbo like performance without 911 Turbo like appeal (who doesn&#039;t look like an ass driving a Porsche?), and its definitely a hot seller even up to Porsche numbers. But its not Porsche numbers, its less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah, if MSRP stays to high to long, then people will begin to ignore the car, and then when something new and similar in performance comes out, dealers will be screwed. Even if they drop the price back down people won&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>Then again, its also important to remember that this car is only selling 1500 units here, maybe 3000. By comparison, GM shot for a &#8220;sky&#8217;s the limit&#8221; production run, and produced (I think) 40,000 cars a year. With performance coupes like this, the market simply is not there for 40,000 coupes a year from anyone sans maybe Mercedes or BMW. Typical buyers there could possibly afford a sporty vehicle or sports car, where as GM and Nissan buyers typically cannot.</p>
<p>The 1500 currently being sold will probably all be bought up by celebs, execs and the wealthy. All of whom are probably who have bid up the price to $120,000 per car. If this was a car with a more massive production run I could see it being less, but considering that its an exclusive car at only 1500 units (does Bently even do that few anymore?), where as Porsche is doing several thousand, this car does indeed have &#8220;exclusive&#8221; painted all across the hood.</p>
<p>Add to that Porsche 911 Turbo like performance without 911 Turbo like appeal (who doesn&#8217;t look like an ass driving a Porsche?), and its definitely a hot seller even up to Porsche numbers. But its not Porsche numbers, its less.</p>
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